Facts? Who needs em! I got me some spin!
Today I saw a wonderful response to my 9/11 anniversary post. It was by a man named Perry Logan who appears to be a far left Clinton-worshiper (think: NeoCon but mirrored) - but that's really not the point here. Perry Logan claims that Alex Jones is nothing more than a far-right conspiracy nut who just claims rediculous things with no facts to back it. I've got one word for you Mister Logan:
Bullshit!
How do I know this is bullshit? Well, let's take a look at what - accourding to Mr. Logan - makes Alex Jones this crazy paranoid guy. Mr. Logan claims that if you believe in any of this - you must be crazy:
I guess Mr. Logan missed these articles. What a coincidence! (Two words, Mr. Logan, two words - it's not that hard!)
Apparently, it's crazy of people to think that vaccines aren't good for them. But hey - if you like mercury - be my guest! Step right up! (again, two words Mr. Logan. This is really simple stuff here)
Would it be better for you to swallow if I told you it was only the Bush family and IBM?
All of these sources I found using two words in google. We can already start to see that Mr. Logan finds it much easier to simply assume that someone is crazy, than to factually prove them wrong. This is a common trait amongst most; if it's too hard to swallow, then it has to be untrue - there is simply no need for independat research or intelligent counter-claim. Next we will see examples of how Mr. Logan not only has taken Alex Jones out of context, but omisses key facts that support Alex Jones's claims (why am I not surprised?).
In July of 2001 Alex Jones went on the air claiming that the White House was planning a staged terror attack. He encouraged all his viewers to call the White House and tell them that if there is any terror, we know who to blame. Alex specifically mentioned that Bin Laden is the boogeyman needed for their "phoney Orwellian system", and further - he did indeed mention that the WTC could be a target. But not so accourding to Mr. Logan:
A simple look at the show from that day will show that Mr. Logan is either dillusional (big surprise) or simply only hears things selectively. I find it amazing that people such as Mr. Logan blast Anti-NWO folks such as Alex Jones for omissions - but perform that very same act in a pathetic attempt to discredit. I trust that you will correct this omission Mr. Logan? Another ammusing act of Mr. Logan's is how he claims that Alex Jones says he is psychic. Alex Jones, nor his site, or webmasters have ever claimed that Alex Jones is psychic or can predict the future. Yes, Alex Jones made a prediction that came true. He made this prediction based simply on doccumentation. You'll even notice that on Alex Jones's site it states:
Mr. Logan has a wonderfully compiled list of things that further - I suppose - make Alex Jones crazy. I am going to continue to post these claims and counter-claims of Mr. Logan and show how he has either omissed, inserted personal opinion in exchange for fact, or has simply not bothered to research a topic himself (again, "if it sounds crazy, it must be. There is no need for independant research"). Mr. Logan claims that Alex Jones is wrong concerning the following items:
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn.
I guess Mr. Logan missed these articles. What a coincidence! (Two words, Mr. Logan, two words - it's not that hard!)
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Apparently, it's crazy of people to think that vaccines aren't good for them. But hey - if you like mercury - be my guest! Step right up! (again, two words Mr. Logan. This is really simple stuff here)
The Rothschilds funded Hitler.
Would it be better for you to swallow if I told you it was only the Bush family and IBM?
All of these sources I found using two words in google. We can already start to see that Mr. Logan finds it much easier to simply assume that someone is crazy, than to factually prove them wrong. This is a common trait amongst most; if it's too hard to swallow, then it has to be untrue - there is simply no need for independat research or intelligent counter-claim. Next we will see examples of how Mr. Logan not only has taken Alex Jones out of context, but omisses key facts that support Alex Jones's claims (why am I not surprised?).
In July of 2001 Alex Jones went on the air claiming that the White House was planning a staged terror attack. He encouraged all his viewers to call the White House and tell them that if there is any terror, we know who to blame. Alex specifically mentioned that Bin Laden is the boogeyman needed for their "phoney Orwellian system", and further - he did indeed mention that the WTC could be a target. But not so accourding to Mr. Logan:
But on the 7/25/01 program, he doesn't even predict anything!
Here's what he says on the show:
"I want you to let [the government] know that if there is any terrorism, we know who to blame."
"Let them know we're aware of their terrorist paradigm to control us."
That's pretty clear: Alex's minions were being invited to call the government & tell them we're wise to them--that's all. There is no prediction of anything.
A simple look at the show from that day will show that Mr. Logan is either dillusional (big surprise) or simply only hears things selectively. I find it amazing that people such as Mr. Logan blast Anti-NWO folks such as Alex Jones for omissions - but perform that very same act in a pathetic attempt to discredit. I trust that you will correct this omission Mr. Logan? Another ammusing act of Mr. Logan's is how he claims that Alex Jones says he is psychic. Alex Jones, nor his site, or webmasters have ever claimed that Alex Jones is psychic or can predict the future. Yes, Alex Jones made a prediction that came true. He made this prediction based simply on doccumentation. You'll even notice that on Alex Jones's site it states:
Alex didn't have a crystal ball, he merely studied the elite's propaganda and was able to connect the dots and make a prediction that would materialize on September 11, 2001.
Mr. Logan has a wonderfully compiled list of things that further - I suppose - make Alex Jones crazy. I am going to continue to post these claims and counter-claims of Mr. Logan and show how he has either omissed, inserted personal opinion in exchange for fact, or has simply not bothered to research a topic himself (again, "if it sounds crazy, it must be. There is no need for independant research"). Mr. Logan claims that Alex Jones is wrong concerning the following items:
There is no super-secret cabal putting up websites telling Alex Jones everything it's going to do
Alex Jones has never claimed that the NWO has secret websites that talk about what they are going to do. Specifically, Alex Jones talks about open websites such as PNAC which discuss things such as militarisation and globalism. This is no secret, I've seen many people pull doccumentation from sites such as this.
There are no "globalists"
It's rather apparent that Mr. Logan has never studdied the policies of George W. Bush or the Neo Conservatives.
Alex Jones is not smarter than everyone in the Democratic Party
Alex Jones has never stated this. Infact, he's good friends with Democratic Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.
The government did not bring off 9-11 as a subterfuge
Mr. Logan has clearly not paid attention to the rising police-state, the RNC protests, Patriot Act 1, Patriot Act 2, Victory Act, or the New Freedom Initiative.. I would of expected Mr. Logan to of paid attention to these things comming out of the Bush Administration.
There is no world government
Again, Alex Jones has never said that there is currently a world government. Simply that this is a process in the making. Mr. Logan is misquoting Alex Jones, again.
No one is talking about global government
*yawn* Mr. Logan hasn't bothered to research this at all. Let me help him out here. Is it really too much to ask for you to have done some research? You're quite the hypocrite.
World leaders are not living forever; Alex thinks they can live forever
Alex Jones has never stated that World Leaders are able to live forever.
As you can see, Mr. Logan is unable to discredit Alex Jones on any sort of factual grounds. It's really quite pathetic. I will reitterate my original claims: I have yet to find one person who has been able to discredit either myself or Alex Jones without the usage of spin, omissions, strawmen, or complete fabrication. Mr. Logan fights against the Right, when he doesn't realise that he partakes in the same pathetic things they do: denial, and bullshit. It's rather clear that Mr. Logan is much more interested in backing his own percieved opinions than uncovering what the truth is.
As you can see, Mr. Logan is unable to discredit Alex Jones on any sort of factual grounds. It's really quite pathetic. I will reitterate my original claims: I have yet to find one person who has been able to discredit either myself or Alex Jones without the usage of spin, omissions, strawmen, or complete fabrication. Mr. Logan fights against the Right, when he doesn't realise that he partakes in the same pathetic things they do: denial, and bullshit. It's rather clear that Mr. Logan is much more interested in backing his own percieved opinions than uncovering what the truth is.
posted by Phracktivist at 5:17 PM
4 Comments:
You fail to refute a single point I made about Alex Jones. You also really need to use your spell-checker.
None of the articles you link us to reveal the existence of AIDS viruses in the corn. Alex misread a news article & has been repeating his crazy falsehood ever since.
I've sent Alex articles indicating that mercury in the vaccines does no harm, but Alex doesn't notice these articles. He completely ignores the studies that prove thimerosal does no harm. Alex Jones ignores contrary evidence in order to to continue his fearmongering about vaccines. I have no doubt people have gotten sick & died because of Alex's lies concerning vaccines.
The Rothschilds were persecuted by Hitler. They were arrested & their property seized. Alex Jones has never cited documents for his false claim & has continued to repeat his slanders.
You show me where Alex predicted 9-11. Get me a quote. I've asked other conspiracists to do this, but no one can do it, because Alex didn't predict anything.
Alex likes to say he goes to websites where, apparently, the "globalists" tell you everything they're going to do, & that that's how he predicts the future. The man is nuts.
No one is talking about world government. You're just confused about the phrase "new world order." When used by normal people, the phrase carries no implication of world government. You just got confused.
Alex says all the time that the elite have life-extension technology that enables them to live forever. There is no documentation for this, because it's just another dream Alex had. The elite continue to die on schedulke, Alex Jones' fantasies notwithstanding.
For readers who missed it, here is my original list of some of the mindblowing things that Alex Jones believes:
The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch.
The secret rulers of the world can live forever.
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us.
Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil
Jacques Cousteau wants to kill 80% of us. (Jacques, too!)
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn. (This means no sex with the corn. Sorry.)
Waco was a government plot.
Most power outages are government plots.
Illegal immigration is a government plot.
The counterculture is a government plot.
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Thumbscanning is a government plot.
Environmentalism is a government plot.
The National Seatbelt Initiative is a government plot.
Feminism is a government plot.
All domestic terror attacks are government plots.
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over America.
Skull & Bones is part of an English plot to take over America.
Children's cartoons are part of a government plot to brainwash us.
The secret ruling elite of the world are putting up buildings that look like owls all over America (for some reason)
Most major police chiefs are CIA operatives.
Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.
The Quakers are all communists.
Anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi (i.e., most Americans)
All of Clinton's cabinet were Jewish
People have tattoos saying "Don't Kill Me" in Holland.
Lyndon Johnson had John Kennedy killed.
The UN has sold thousands of children into slavery & for snuff films.
Gays are actively recruiting in our schools.
The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium."
The Rothschilds funded Hitler.
Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you
EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO.
Just think: if you can find those websites, YOU can predict the future too!
You fail to refute a single point I made about Alex Jones.
No, you simply are too 1-track-minded to even bother to research this stuff. It's not that hard to grasp, not at all.
You also really need to use your spell-checker.
Spell has precisely what to do with this argument?
None of the articles you link us to reveal the existence of AIDS viruses in the corn.
Your research skills are clearly pathetic.
http://www.gene.ch/genet/2002/Apr/msg00055.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/Pharmageddon120502.cfm
that's just two from a simple google search.
Alex misread a news article & has been repeating his crazy falsehood ever since.
No sir, you are just of the opinion that if it sounds crazy, it has to be. No research, just opinion = fact.
I've sent Alex articles indicating that mercury in the vaccines does no harm, but Alex doesn't notice these articles.
Says who? The FDA? AMA? Journal of Pediatrics? They're really credible alright.. I think you should have a little talk with Dr. Gary Null on the subject of mercury vaccines.
He completely ignores the studies that prove thimerosal does no harm. Alex Jones ignores contrary evidence in order to to continue his fearmongering about vaccines.
How often do you study medical issues? As a medical student study two different forms of medicine - I do it all the time. I can tell you that based upon the countless research I've done - vaccines are very harmful. Again, Dr. Gary Null is one of the best sources on this.
I have no doubt people have gotten sick & died because of Alex's lies concerning vaccines.
You're proving further that you know nothing about what you're talking about. I haven't had a vaccination in 8 years, and I'm still very healthy. I've never had any major illness or disease in my life.
You show me where Alex predicted 9-11. Get me a quote. I've asked other conspiracists to do this, but no one can do it, because Alex didn't predict anything.
Actually, I DID. I also pointed out your weak omissions on this subject. You have some great selective listening.
Alex likes to say he goes to websites where, apparently, the "globalists" tell you everything they're going to do, & that that's how he predicts the future. The man is nuts.
No sir, you're just twisting his words. Go to PNAC sometime and read their doccuments. CONGRATULATIONS! You're now a conspiracy theorist by your own definition.
It's utterly pathetic that in order to slander Alex Jones you have to twist his words around. I can now see entirely what you're interested it: misinformation.
No one is talking about world government. You're just confused about the phrase "new world order."
You have just proven to me that you did not bother to look at the link I provided. This goes beyond people saying "new world order". No facts, just omissions and spin.
When used by normal people, the phrase carries no implication of world government. You just got confused.
You're telling me I'm confused when you're the one that continually gets this wrong and ignores sources (as well as research)? That's amazing.
Alex says all the time that the elite have life-extension technology that enables them to live forever.
You're omissing, again. Didn't I explain this? It doesn't enable them to live forever, Alex Jones has never claimed they can live forever. Before you go and continue with your record of falsifications, show me a transcript or a specific time when Alex Jones said that "they can live forever".
There is no documentation for this, because it's just another dream Alex had.
No, you simply like to indulge in ignorance, it's really quite pathetic.
Mr. Logan, if you have debunked Alex Jones, truly - why don't you simply debate him on his syndicated radio show? He practically begs for someone to come on the air and prove him wrong. Here's your chance! Go get em boy! But please, don't cry when he exposes you as the hollow leftist that you allow yourself to be.
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